So, question... something crashes xserer. puff: could be ANYTHING puff: /var/log/Xorg.0.log Xserver... it's something specific to that account, I used a virtual terminal to create a second account and logged in, started X fine with the new account. dmesg | tail and so on can still be anything [03:24] Here's the list of files that changed http://pastebin.com/BXv3CUJ7 either an ~/.xinitrc or ~/.kde4 or ~/.gnome3 or whatever demonicmaniac3: Hang on a sec while I check my notes. If I recall correctly, when Xserver attempts to start, it creates a new Xorg.0.log, right? [03:43] correct [03:44] demonicmaniac3: And when I try to login, it starts Xserver, Xserver terminates, then it gives me a new graphical login screen, so that new graphical login screen is what I'm seeing in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, and the Xserver terminating is actually in /var/log/Xorg.1.log [03:46] demonicmaniac3: Actually, the backup is in Xorg.0.log.old [03:49] demonicmaniac3: And all it says is: [233638.248] Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file. [03:51] fuck login manager [03:52] just start X by itself from another tty ctrl alt f2 login there Nah, can't use alt f2, whattaya think I'm using to type this to you :-). well then alt f3 :P [03:53] f3 :p Okay, in alt-f3, now start x how, startx? put some crap in .xinitrc and startx ya need something in .xinitrc There is no .xinitrc. create one So what should I put in there? anything. what wms do you have? demonicmaniac3: do you know if Xorg comes with Xorgconf or are you using usually? Mir: xorg doesn't need an xorg.conf for quite some time already [03:54] Btw, see http://darksleep.com/puff/xorg/xserver for copies of log files, etc. also doesn't come with one I generally use xfce. no no Or gnome. not a file no it doesn't X -configure Xorgconf was never part of X that's some distro specific crap then demonicmaniac3: i am refering to the setup ahh ok I used to use vanilla ubuntu, switched to xubuntu when unity came otu. [03:55] puff: then put startxfce4 into .xinitrc just that Cool. i think it's called that anyway or maybe just startxfce I am vaguely recalling getting stuck that way before, I think it' sstartxfce4. really embarrassing when you're trying otfigure out WHAT HAPPENED TO XFCE!!!!! ...when it turns out you left the 4 off. [03:56] if you have bash-completion installed then just startxf Yeah, bash autocomplete says startxfce4. Okay, so now I'm ready to startx? then put just that into ~/.xinitrc yep [03:57] actually wait it's exec startxfce4 Ah, okay. Should I use sudo? no nononono that chowns .Xauthority and pid to root and then you won't be able to start X as a user anymore also it won't parse ~/.xinitrc [03:58] since you will be effectively root then First attempt, without exec, said "Serer is already active for display 0" (presumably the login screen) is that login screen on vt7? Yes. Same error with exec startx. hrmpf ya wat no i meant exec startxfce4 in the .xinitrc startx just as it is Ah, okay. Same error. [04:00] you might have to do startx -- :1 do get it to start a second xserver .xinitrc contains a single line: exec startx Okay, will try with -- :1 now. um startxfce4 has to be in .xinitrc Blah, you're right,tht's actually what'sin .xinitrc: exec startxfce4 hm, did "startx -- :1" andthe screen went blank. Hit alt-f2, nothing happened, tried cntrl-alt-f2 to get back here, then alt-f3, it appears to be infite looping and printing ..\nNo protocol specificied\nNo protocol specified\n.. [04:03] ctrl-C doesn't work, ctrl-Z does. huh [04:04] I guess I should kill the startx process? if it keeps spamming sure [04:05] Interesting... killed the startx process, but something's still spamming... maybe f3 is the console for xfce and that's xfce? [04:06] look in top [04:08] whether there's startxfce4 Ahah... new data: xinit: giving up xinit: unable to connect to X server: Resource temporarily unavailable. [04:09] xinit: waiting for X server to shut down ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log [04:10] Hm, IIRC ubuntu uses lightdm. top shows a "unity-greeter" process owned by lightdm. [04:11] might wanna ask in ubuntu. gotta hit the sack, it's 4 am here :/ sorry Thanks. Thanks for the help. ERC>